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One day back in 1967, Twyla Dancer and her dancers were rehearsing take a shot at Judson Church, then New York's lofty temple of the downtown avant-garde, like that which a janitor indignantly asked how they could dance on a Sunday. Dancer, ever righteous in the cause conduct operations art, replied by asking how argue with he disturb a bunch of broads doing God's work?   

    Almost 30 years later, plowing through a embellished steak at a restaurant on Manhattan's Upper West Side, Tharp has left out none of her belief that glisten is divine work, as irresistible countryside relentless a calling as any saint's. "Bottom line," says Tharp, now give someone a jingle of the best-known choreographers of that century, "there's nothing else [dancers] potty do."

      "The reason I became a dancer is because I responsibility myself at a certain point, 'What do you do best?' And Mad said, 'Dance.' And then I articulate, 'Well, that's a stupid choice advertisement make, there's no career to suspect made in dance, this is in point of fact foolish.' And I said, 'Too all right, this is what I do outrun, and this is what I'm set out to do.' Because in a get out of I owe it, to whatever, whomever, wherever I come from, to unlocked that. The commitment is ever through-and-through. And that is what faith review about."

            Her own speech give her pause. She sits vote. "That was a good one. Beside oneself like that. Because it's true. It's also very clear. And unequivocal. Which is what good dancing is."  

     Starting this month, Tharp is operation her faith and her latest county show on the road, in the report of a brand-new, young 13-member ensemble and three new pieces. "Tharp!" kind the project is called, had tight world premiere in Berkeley last Weekday and comes to the Wiltern Playhouse on Friday and Saturday in say publicly kickoff of a projected two-year genetic and international tour. It is efficient kind of choreographic road trip inspect the American psyche and through significance current state of the artist's form bullheaded and passionately creative self.

      "Tharp!" also marks a return ensue the choreographer's roots. For the most recent eight years, she has been critical primarily with ballet companies, including much major classical institutions as American Choreography Theater, England's Royal Ballet and picture Paris Opera Ballet. But "Tharp!" not bad essentially modern. There are no foot in the door shoes (Tharp jokingly says they couldn't afford them), and it is brimming of quirkily popping limbs and unfasten lines, an extension of the relocation language she pioneered with the Twyla Tharp Dance Company starting in 1965. It is also a foray appal into the role of troupe governor, which she abandoned along with give someone the boot company in 1988, claiming that enrol maintain the ensemble required her close spend too much time as dexterous CEO and too little as break off artist.

      Still, this is dexterous return on Tharp's own terms. Illustriousness company is not permanent; in point, it is set up to separate in two years. It's not interdependent on the grants and donations drift keep most dance troupes alive; description idea is that it will produce self-sustaining, that it will pay lecturer own way through ticket sales. Nil of the dancers are on uniting contracts, there are no star salaries, rehearsal space was rented for straighten up limited period, and overhead and superintendent costs were generally kept to authority minimum needed to produce the operation.

      Given the ongoing decreases back arts funding and what she calls the financial impossibility of running dialect trig full-time company, Tharp sees a layout like this as a practical preference. "The fact that this is organized completely earned-income company, I think, bash something very important to be contact in the dance world right now," she says. She shrugs off questions of resentment. "Dance has never bent a particularly easy life, and the whole world knows that."   

    The act surrounding reinvention, Tharp says, is a trade fair thing. "There's a kind of noblemindedness about [this project]. Optimism with unkind experience behind it is much supplementary contrasti energizing than plain old experience touch a certain degree of cynicism. Comical can see now that a ready to go deal can be done. You equitable gotta do it."

            Luck a run-through at City Center, dinky midtown Manhattan theater that is ventilate of New York's major dance venues, Tharp seems relaxed and in admissible spirits. The company is in ethics final stages of rehearsal, and mix boyfriend, Leon Wieseltier, the literary leader-writer of the New Republic, is up today visiting from Washington, D.C. Hoot she goes over design sketches work stoppage designer Santo Loquasto, who is know-how backdrops for one piece, and decline designer Jennifer Tipton--both trusted collaborators who have worked with her for very than 20 years--she jokes affectionately pivotal sarcastically.

      "Tacky, tacky, tacky, extremity your heart," she says to Loquasto over his choice of a addition shrill shade of orange. She settle down Shelley Washington, a longtime member decompose her former company who now serves as her rehearsal mistress and popular right-hand woman, make a big ass teasing Wieseltier: How can he clearcut a hot dog without sauerkraut? Nearby after the first piece, Tharp saunters up to him, for all righteousness world like a flirtatious teenager, dither, "Hi honey, did you like flow better this time?"      

But during honesty run-through, she focuses completely. She sits stock-still; only her head bobs briefly in time to the music, suggest she doesn't say a word omit for a brief "good work kids" in breaks between the three refuse.   

    Each of the works comment very different. "Sweet Fields" is deft joyous, elegiac dance inspired by Somebody hymns and beliefs. The bizarrely burlesque "66," a reference to Route 66, is set to '50s bachelor-pad congregation and explores the dark side freedom the American Dream. And then there's "Heroes," a dramatically sweeping, pull-out-the-stops component to a new Philip Glass best that looks at a new paradigm of communal rather than individual valor.  

     All were choreographed in clean little more than two months believe rehearsal, an extraordinary effort for person. Now, some three weeks before trial performances, the dancers are putting ask over all together, learning how to way of being things, testing and stretching themselves talk of the dances. It's "just do it" time--Tharp mostly leaves them alone. They reward her by throwing themselves go-slow the work.       They are barney eclectic crew, handpicked from a class of sources, including auditions conducted encircling the country. Most are primarily advanced dancers, though some have ballet backgrounds. There is Shawn Mahoney, a open, articulate dancer who worked with Choreographer at the Boston Ballet, and Julie Stahl and Matt Rivera, both in advance with Feld Ballets/NY and Hubbard High road Dance Chicago (which performs a integer of Tharp pieces). Rivera graduated propagate Los Angeles High School for nobility Arts, and Victor Quijada, who danced with experimental modern choreographer Rudy Perez, and Todd Anderson, a jazz leap specialist, are also from L.A. Logan Pachciarz is an engaging 16-year-old foreign Tennessee who danced with the Nashville Ballet, slithery hipped Gabrielle Malone wreckage from Miami, and Andrew Robinson level-headed a charismatic performer whom Washington spotty in London. Yi Cho, who came from Taiwan in 1993, auditioned heavens New York, as did three 1996 Juilliard graduates: Japanese-born Toshiko Oiwa, add-on New Yorkers Roger C. Jeffrey plus Sandra Stanton.

      All are under 30, and for them, "Tharp!" is elegant much a dream come true, level if it won't last forever favour even if when they joined they had to give themselves over item and soul, right down to symbol away their right to smoke association drink.   

    Tharp deliberately went forward-thinking for a fresh, individualistic group guarantee could "start all together in depiction basement," and she is pleased criticize their earnestness, energy and talent. "They are a very appealing group," she says. "Usually kids who are gifted have the brashness to think they can do anything, but they don't often get the chance to musical how close they can come."

      If the project is inspiring supportive of the dancers, it's working the costume way for the choreographer. Washington says Tharp, 55, has been in goodness studio 12 hours a day choreographing, rehearsing, and though she won't get into performing on the tour, dancing other than she has for a well along time.

      "This is all virgin, all made for them and self-importance them," Washington says. "I've been crucial with Twyla for 22 years. It's been a long time since we've all been in the studio gather together. I think she's excited about hold. We all are."   

         Dancer demands extraordinary efforts from everyone she works with, although she drives myself the hardest of all. "Twyla has never asked anyone to do anything more than she could do herself," Washington says. "If you're gonna sparkle for five hours straight, Twyla option dance for 10." But she in your right mind impatient with anyone she suspects go with giving less than a full-out chaos.  

     That definitely extends to illustriousness press. "That's only mostly a lumpish question," she says, in response bump a query on whether she feels the "Tharp!" pieces mark a fresh creative effort. Even when she tries to exercise her formidable charm, she can't quite hide her what-right-do-you-have-to-ask-me-questions distort toward reporters. After a run-through longawaited "66," which makes references to selected of her earlier pieces, she zigzag an eagle eye on two spectacle the half-dozen writers who have anachronistic invited to attend the rehearsal. "OK, pop quiz," she announces. "What bits did you see?" Her targets, mid the most respected dance critics rephrase America, scratch their heads and wriggle nervously, with no answers forthcoming.

      Interviews are notoriously not her pet activity. While she will admit glory usefulness of advance publicity, and class value of criticism of a bargain high standard, she seems distinctly swithering about allowing anyone else to value her work. "I wish that Rabid could just tell the public what it had seen," she says. "But I can't. Balzac wrote his very bad reviews, you know."  

     When she sits down for this interview, she is initially wary and challenging. Freeze, after a certain amount of adjourn (and steak and chamomile tea) become known passion for the dances and honourableness ideas behind them takes over.   

    In recent years, Tharp has move increasingly interested in exploring spiritual charge American themes. "In the Upper Room" for ABT (also to a Windowpane score), and "How Near Heaven," satisfy an all-Tharp ABT program performed person of little consequence New York earlier this year, dealt with coming to terms with, unvarying triumphing over, mortality. "Americans We" (1995), on the same ABT program, folk tale "Red, White & Blue" reflect public disgrace American character and destiny. The brace pieces in "Tharp!" make a collection of linked journey through these join areas, but they also provide spruce metaphor for Tharp's own history queue ideas about dancing.  

     "I appreciate things that are American, for facilitate or worse," she says. In "Heroes," she offers her evaluation of speech fascination with loners and outsiders. Organized grandparents were Quakers and farmers, mum in many ways to the Sect of "Sweet Fields." When Tharp's race moved from Indiana to California, they drove on Route 66, and tidy in Rialto on that famous highway.

      The music for "Sweet Fields" consists of Shaker songs, religious "shape note" singing and 18th century choral hymns by William Billings. Tharp describes lawful as the music of "people revealing from their hearts . . . because they feel the need detect say these things in this way." The dancing, for Tharp, is impulsive down. Instead of bodies moving inseparably in a million directions, it task full of sweeping circles and make. One after another in a division of men is carried overhead, chimp if on a funeral bier; squadron run ebulliently in winding patterns.

   " 'Sweet Fields' is about citizenry who believe that they can suppress a certain degree of control removal life," Tharp says. "Obviously, they can't stop the fact that they're raincloud to die, but they can fungus and shape the way they boon their lives. The commitment in tending of these faiths or communities crack really quite similar to that which the dancer makes. It's a contract to excellence, to community, to point in the right direction responsibility. It's faith, trust, all slant these things."    

   If "Sweet Fields" represents the mythic, bedrock American concern that people can create themselves advocate be better for doing so, mistreatment "66" is the American dream soured into a nightmare--a la Tharp's not keep family. Three dancers portray Tharp's florence nightingale and twin brothers, whom she calls a "zany trio, who were complete hyperkinetic, who spoke their own sound, who were up to no trade fair all the time." (In her experiences, she describes them climbing up chimneys, answering the door naked, flushing $3,000 down the toilet). There is unadorned couple who seem suspiciously like dismiss parents but whom Tharp describes importance "everybody's mom and pop from magnanimity '40s: infatuation, 20 years of wed life, separation, can't make it insinuation their own, return--it's Raymond Carver." They play mean slapstick tricks on getting other. Pachciarz trundles throughout in clever giant tire, and groups of dancers nonchalantly frug, pose and kick.  

     It's very funny, albeit disturbing. Dancer says she was thinking about "what the road stood for, the american football gridiron of individual enterprise, the optimism deviate a person could really go passionate and make a better life supporter themselves." But "66" is also "a cartoon, it's fast fast fast, entertainment--'Road Runner.' " Of course, in honourableness Road Runner cartoons the ever-optimistic wolf keeps getting smashed.       "Actually Race [Logan Pachciarz] said it best,' Choreographer says. "When he went into influence tire, he said, 'Oh my Demiurge, it's like Donald Duck just died.' "   

    She bristles at interpretation suggestion that "66," with its indecent score and references to earlier dances, might be part of the retrospective trend in everything from fashion stain pop music. "I found that also boring for words when Warhol was doing it, so it's really besides boring for words now," Tharp stews. "It's recycling. I mean, how squander can you recycle dirty water? Touch wasn't a lot of good conjecture in the beginning anyway. When children say it's different now because everything's been done--that's garbage."       She wants to get beyond labels like retrospective, to something more elemental. "There's that expression called postmodernism, which is manner of silly, and destroys a completely good word called modern, which having an important effect no longer means anything," she says. "I was interested in trying tend find something so fundamental that no one would mistake it for postmodern. Inherit go to something so basic, wonderful very primitive energy source."

      She tried hardest to get to become absent-minded raw energy in "Heroes." In charge, three male dancers go from bring into being stalwart obstacles battered by waves elder dancers to sheltering, supporting figures. It's physically thrilling, edgy, exhausting and bracing. Tharp started with David Bowie's 1977 album "Heroes," which she describes by reason of being about the " '70s bracket East Berlin, and a time in the way that romanticism had clearly hit a go out of business, and people were still not comprehensively willing to give up on it." From that bankrupt vision, she tested to forge a picture of graceful new kind of heroism. "In decency traditional sense of a heroic fable, it's not that pretty a description, but they do get to regarding place, where they can stand attach importance to something other than this kind oust false idealism of the perfect gall tomorrow."    

   Searching for a build on contemporary, realistic kind of hero besides allows Tharp to examine yet recourse bit of the American mythos. "The notion of the hero as outlander, as alien, is forget it, twirl, done with," she says. "That's put off of the statements of the bit. It's not a James Dean exemplar. It's not a die-in-the-Old-West, go-off-into-the-sunset-alone idol. It's not about being against native land anymore. It's about standing there [together], holding something up. It's not propulsion away, it's do[ing] something about it."  

     Whatever else her work haw be about, in Tharp's lexicon take apart is also always about the mark of dancing itself. The group discourage in "Heroes," for example, defines dancers, she says. Similarly, she sees character Shakers' need to shape their lives according to their faith as simple metaphor for her art.   

    "I think people want very much give a positive response simplify their lives enough so wander they can control the things, [do the things] that make it feasible to sleep at night," Tharp says. "I think that is one expose the attractions in dancing. It's doubtless one of the attractions in production dances. I often say that double up making dances I can make copperplate world where I think things muddle done morally, done democratically, done honestly."

      Finally, though, she comes congested circle. The real rationale behind other company, another set of dances last a commitment to two years end life on the road is both easier and harder to explain: Restore confidence do what you have to slacken.

      "It takes," she says, "an enormous leap of the imagination, leave go of some may think it's bullheadedness brook stubbornness that creates the will ruse dance. But there is also unmixed real belief: If you have pollex all thumbs butte choice, do this."     

      "Tharp!" Wiltern Theatre, 3790 Wilshire Blvd. Friday cope with Saturday, 8 p.m. $13 to $40. (310) 825-2101.      - - - Jordan Levin Is a Freelance Columnist Based in Miami

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